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Global Warming Sinks an Island? Not.

Posted by greg2213 on March 25, 2010

A friend sent me this page via Stumbleupon. Disappearing islands are always interesting, whether due to storms, land subsidence, erosion, floods, etc. (Based on current sea level measurements in that area it would take 4,000 years to sink that 2 meter high island. )

Naturally they find some professor who’s goofy enough to blame it on global warming. I guess that means that global cooling must have caused the island to appear back in the 70s? After all, there was a global cooling scare about that time.

WattsUpWithThat has some fun with the story and proves that warming had nothing do do with the disappearance.

Note that sea levels DID rise quickly, and by a lot, as the last ice age ended. There is a huge, well developed city (mentioned in the post) that’s under 120 feet of water. So Al Gore may be right about sea level rise destroying civilization, but he’s over 9,000 years too late.  I wonder how many other ruins from that period are also underwater? It’s not a tiny city they’re showing there.

There are some other interesting links to relevant stuff in the comment section of that post:

Update:

More WUWT: No real sea level rise – info on coral atolls, fresh water lenses, atolls wise with sea level. Atolls are created by sea level rise, not destroyed by sea level rise.

Another paper: Sea levels are stable

SPPI on that little island: The birth and death of an island in the Bay of Bengal

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4 Responses to “Global Warming Sinks an Island? Not.”

  1. C.S. Magor said

    Actually, the professor in question didn’t blame the loss of the island on global warming, he blamed it on climate change.

    Whether or not humans are fueling global warming, you cannot deny that climate change occurs. It has been occurring, naturally, since the beginning of the planet. Events such as the ice ages are evidence of this.

    The professor in question did not suggest that rising sea levels destroyed the island, it was more likely due to increased storm surge activity, similar to what created the island in the first place.

    • greg2213 said

      well… a couple of points.
      1) climate change = global warming as warming is the only thing the alarmists are talking about.
      2) Here’s the quote from WeInterrupt.com

      What these two countries could not achieve from years of talking, has been resolved by global warming (emphasis mine.)

      AP says…

      Now rising sea levels have resolved the dispute for them: the island’s gone….

      “What these two countries could not achieve from years of talking, has been resolved by global warming,” said Hazra.

      So, unless the AP misquoted him, which is entirely possible with the AP, he did say that the cause was warming (which strongly suggests rising sea levels) and the article did say “rising sea levels.” And you’ll note that I did link to him saying land subsidence is a big issue.

      As for your remarks about CC, I agree totally and have been clear about that. The Earth has gone through periods where it was a snowball and others where there were no ice caps. Long before SUVs were invented. CO2 has been far higher at times and some of those times were ice ages.

      The point, of course, is that the two articles were pretty goofy.

  2. Feet2theFire said

    While I agree with Anthony Watts and you on the arguments, him providing evidence that subsidence is the cause is not “proof.”

    One needs to use certain words with some care, otherwise our side looks as sloppy as theirs does.

    Very few pieces of evidence come up to the level of proof.

    • greg2213 said

      If subsidence, silting, flooding, and storm surge explains the entirety of the disappearing land then I think we can safely conclude that warming/CC was not part of the equation. Siltation can be measured to some degree, as can flooding and storm surge. Subsidence is tougher, but probably isn’t as hard as picking out 1-2 mm of sea level rise, given that the subsidence might be greater and that the land surface isn’t constantly shifting in the way that the ocean’s surface does.

      That evidence is about as close to proof as we will get. Especially since sea level rise is 1-2 mm per year, an amount that is very hard to reliably detect and which is far lower than what would be needed to disappear an island. What’s real proof? Have a satellite show before and after shots for floods and storms. I expect that such photos actually exist, but I’m not interested in digging them up right now.

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